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> On 18 Jul 2014, at 21:48, Daniel Llewellyn <diddledan@???> wrote:
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>> On 18 July 2014 10:04, jay bennie <jay@???> wrote:
>> may be i see the plethora of freedoms of open critisim, courts that can and do prosecute and voting for all as a panacea.
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> the freedoms of open criticism which, when exercised against the powers-that-be, place your identity on the retrospective search algorithms that immediately aggregate your entire potted history for the past 10 years? yeah, I'd call that a panacea, too, though not for the same people I would guess.
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>> what i also see is a lack of ability for legitimate spying on persons breaking laws, polititions and business interests making secret deals outside of law and police abuse of power.
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> The problem is that "spying" isn't being done on persons breaking laws, it is done on everyone at all times. Right now you are being surveiled by the powers-that-be whether you like to believe it or not.
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There is a parallel here with open source vs closed source. Maybe we should spy everything all the time and make it all public!
>> I also see 40% of the population read crap and base there opinion on retoric and spin, and have an idealistic notion of a perfect socity and a personalised view of right and wrong
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> 36% of that statistic was made-up on the spot.
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>> people are corrupt! people break laws, fact.
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> that isn't being argued against.
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>> you need tools to collect evidence, and courts of elected or just persons to make judgements of right and wrong... anything less is folly.
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> nor is that.
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