On 17 July 2014 13:16, Damian L Brasher <lug@???> wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 09:07 +0100, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a friend who is in the Police and they explained to me what DRIP/RIPA is.
>> 1) There are no "triggers".
>> 2) Police make a request to the phone company with a search key of say
>> "phone number". They can then get a report of all the calls that user
>> has made within a small time period. They can also obtain details of
>> where the phone was used during that time period. There are various
>> other request types they can make, all listed in the RIPA documents.
>> Also only a select few police people are allowed to make such
>> requests. These are ones with the rank "superintendent". Normally
>> these requests also need to be supported by court authorizations.
>> 3) DRIP is much the same as RIPA, and RIPA has been around since at
>> least the year 2000.
>> 4) The requests are definitely aimed at being of use to police
>> investigating a crime. For example, they can search by a fraudulent
>> bank account number. If that bank account number paid a phone bill,
>> they can then obtain the phone number of that phone, and then request
>> the location of that phone.
>>
>> If you are particularly interested in what they can ask for, google
>> for RDHI (Retained Data Handover Interface) , it is an ETSI standard
>> and lists all the request types used by RIPA.
>>
>> Summary: I don't think anything has changed since the year 2000.
>
> Thank you for sharing James. Without question, the police need some
> data. Clearly, DRIP is not fully understood from multiple perspectives.
> Echoing the House of Lords concerns yesterday, there has not been enough
> time for discussion.
>
> In my opinion, discussion is essential. Critically, international
> communities will take DRIP headlines at face value (or dig deeper) and
> won't feel as confident working with the UK. One of the worst headlines,
> is the speed at which the legislation is being pushed through
> parliament.
>
> Many long-term effects are, or seem to be, left in lap of the gods.
>
According to police friend, I think one of the things that forced the
government to push through the DRIP quickly was that some service
providers were going to delete their entire retained history within a
short period, days or weeks away, and this was going to cause a few
extremely important serious criminal cases to have to be dropped. The
police would have been very upset if after months of hard work and
millions of tax payer's money was going to be wasted as a result of
having to drop the cases.
Kind Regards
James
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