On 01/07/12 09:58, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 01/07/12 02:22, Full Circle Podcast wrote:
>> Oops, almost forgot, Popey:
>>
>>
>> "You could try other derivatives like Linux Mint with Cinnamon or
>> Mate, but
>>> I would question the sustainability of those desktops."
>>>
>> Nice plug of the corporate line,
>
> It's not the corporate line, it's my personal opinion. As I understand
> it one is a fork of a current desktop (GNOME Shell) the other is a
> fork of an old abandoned desktop (GNOME 2). Neither have particularly
> large development communities. They're both aimed at the refuseniks
> who don't like GNOME Shell or Unity.
>
> I don't believe the 'future' of computing is based in a
> dead/unsupported desktop (GNOME 2) or a _fork_ of said
> dead/unsupported desktop. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
> That's just mine, personally.
>
> The complaints about Unity and GNOME Shell are mostly coming from the
> 'neckbeards'. People who are perfectly entitled to their opinion and
> choice of desktop, but are actually a pretty small part of the
> computer-buying market.
>
> There's millions upon millions of people out there who have never seen
> GNOME 2 or XFCE and don't have the same pre-conceptions that us nerds
> do. The vast echo-chamber of the internet (including mailing lists and
> twitter feeds) is not at all representative of the 'normals'.
>
> No, Unity isn't perfect. If it's broken in places, let us know and we
> will try to fix it. My team at Canonical are responsible for putting
> out Unity/Compiz etc releases so I'm keen to know which bits are
> broken, so we can, you know, fix them.
>
> > I mean, who wants to get stuck on a
> > proprietary desktop supported by only one commercial Linux
> > vendor....oh.
> >
>
> Like GNOME Shell?
>
>>
>>>
>>> When you install KDE, LXDE, XFCE desktops, they take on a kind of
>>> Unity
>>>> cut-down format ..
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hmm. don't suppose those project teams would take that as a
>>> compliment.
>> Or an accurate comparison. Ho hum.
>>
>
> I didn't say that! Leszek did. Get your reply-formatting fixed please.
>
>>
>>> I use it on all my machines, I guess that makes me a dummy.
>>>
>>
>> We couldn't possibly comment. But then again, if you're Canonical's
>> Product
>> Strategy Manager, you are kind of obliged to eat your own dog food.
>>
>
> I used it on all my machines long before I started working for
> Canonical. Yes, it's expected that we dogfood our own products, that's
> not exactly surprising, but it's easy to do when you're already
> running it.
>
> I'm "just" an Engineering Manager, the head of Product Strategy is
> Mark Shuttleworth.
>
> Cheers,
Hi Alan
Trouble is, we slightly longer users in time, are some of the key
recommenders of a distro to new entrants
If a desktop cripples established ease-of-use, forcing a completely
different operational design on us, we're not going to want to recommend
the same elevated learning curve to others
I've no special preferences ( Debian/Ubuntu/derivatives ), but simply
will hafta travel the road of max. power-user configurability so that
the real work ( whatever that may be for self, or others ), can still go
on getting done, with a minimum of heartache
If the developers can restore power-user configurability to Unity -
while still allowing new users to grasp the holding hand of a Mac-like
icon-taskbar, then that would comfortably satisfy all comers .. Even
grousers/gripers, like my current bemused self
Restoring user selection of choice of desktop at bootup, would be a
prime contribution .. ( if it's there, I don't see it )
All the best,
Lesz
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